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  • #31
    Quick update: we've had the design team working on an Outlook-like skin (in gray) since before this thread started. We expect that at least a gray, if not also a blue version of this skin will be in 7.0 final (if not, then it will be available shortly thereafter). We'll post samples here as we get closer.

    Thanks for all the feedback so far (even the harsh feedback :)

    A further question: has anyone ever seen a design that they like aside from Outlook clones, and that believe would be fairly universally acceptable in business applications?

    We're committed to supporting an Outlook-esque look and feel, but for future designs we'd like to understand what people would like to see. BlackOps is design for developer tools and TreeFrog is popular in life sciences companies, where else do we need to go?


    • #32
      I like the mac os x/ itunes look. Something different and clearly very popular.

      With the miller column grid the layout of the last image can easily be done and will rock.


      • #33
        Something Aqua-esce would be nice, indeed. but that again would work for 'casual' or 'lifestyle' apps only.

        What about Nimbus ?

        I also like jGoodies Looks (gives swing-apps a consistent look and feel across platforms):


        • #34
          Thanks a lot for this good news and for your great job !

          When the 7.0 final will be available ?


          • #35
            Nimbus looks really nice! Professional, clean, stylish. Great ! Its license is LGPL ( so maybe something can be taken from it.

            The widgets fit in the panels smoothly (I can't stress this enough: it improves the LnF dramatically and it also decreases the development time)

            jGoodies on the other hand looks really outdated. It's more like a Windows 3.1 LnF today.

            Thank you for being so responsive and taking this issue so seriously. I really want to introduce SmartGWT to my client (I think there are many people in this situation)

            The question, of course, is: can we see it ? when will it be released ?
            Last edited by juan.medin; 11th Dec 2008, 15:34.


            • #36
              GwtExt Skin

              Hi we are also interested in switching from GwtExt to SmartGwt but we need the color scheme first. We need management to see that it will look the same before we can switch.

              Thanks again for the great framework,



              • #37
                Originally posted by nigelheywood
                Hi we are also interested in switching from GwtExt to SmartGwt but we need the color scheme first. We need management to see that it will look the same before we can switch.

                Thanks again for the great framework,

                Seconded. Any chance we can get a sneak peak of what you've got so far or perhaps a % wise progressbar on completion and/or a timeframe where you foresee when this will be done?


                • #38
                  New skin design - first sample

                  Hello All,

                  See below for the first sample from the new skin design. We're looking for feedback BUT please read the list of planned changes below before responding.

                  The following are all known issues or things we will likely still change:

                  1. scrollbars are still a work in progress. We might go with some more similar to the default light blue Windows scrollbars

                  2. you can see some aliasing issues on some components, for example, each opener control in the tree is slightly different, and some other items (like the border around the Window and SectionStack controls) are fuzzed out to 2px instead of 1px. This is due to conversion from vector to pixel format and won't be present in the final design - those will all be sharp 1px lines.

                  3. the width of the gap around the splitbar will be much smaller (similar to current BlackOps gap)

                  4. the splitter has a directional "V" in the middle because all splitters are also snapbars in SmartClient (they can hide the adjacent component).

                  5. tab scrollers aren't actually always visible (they wouldn't be in this screen of course - there's plenty of space).

                  6. tab scroller will be slight rounded.

                  7. we're going to do something for the ComboBox down state, it didn't work out.

                  8. font is still undecided. Shown is arial; we might go to Tahoma or Verdana. If you don't like the choice, switching is a trivial search and replace on the skin_styles.css file.

                  We're also pursuing a parallel design in blue - it will have substantially the same "shapes" for components but will be recolored in the light blue range.

                  Both designs will be ready in the 2-4 weeks range (the gray one sooner than the blue). If you are either starting a new application or porting an existing one, these designs should be ready well in advance of your ship date. You will not need to do anything to your code to use the new skin other than change the skin you are including in your SmartGWT modules file.

                  Let us know what you like and don't like. There's still time for tweaks.


                  • #39
                    Looks really good, great work.

                    The font is fine, but I think you should use a more blue scheme for the scrollbar as well (just the buttons), kind of like you have done on the combobox.


                    • #40
                      new skin - feedback

                      Looks really great.
                      Agree about the scrollbar looking unfinished / out of place.
                      But overall this is really a great work and it will greatly help moving applications from GWT Ext to smartGWT as the look are now similar.


                      • #41
                        I think it looks really great. Thanks for the hard work.


                        • #42
                          I tried creating a Ubuntu skin, but it got quite difficult to understand all the js, css, images structure of the skins. Something I noted was that the close icon on the tabs was the same as the window, but just badly resized. The tabs should have a different close icon, something like firefox tabs or Gedit in Ubuntu for example...

                          Oh and about the new theme.. it is a great improvement over what is already available.


                          • #43
                            Same here. Can't wait to see our application with the new look. One comment. It seems like the the gap between the window minimize and the end of the window is too much. The icon should align itself the with the inside box.

                            Second question I have is - How do I go about taking the same skin and just changing the colors, for example if I want to use light green in place of gray and dark green in place of the blue. Having a tool that can do it will be awesome.


                            • #44
                              Great news!

                              This is just what the doctor ordered; the final nail in the coffin for Ext GWT! ;)


                              • #45
                                Hi - think the new skin will be a great addition.

                                I was wondering if anyone from isomorphic could comment on the possibility of a skin that makes limited use of images? For my use case the great value in SmartClient is the datasource and databound components, rather than the eye candy. I'm using a deployment scenario where I pay for bandwidth, and a gmail like interface that still has the datasource bound components would be ideal.

                                I can see this might not be so easy, as I assume the current skins are really just a collection of images and styles that link up to the hooks in the core components. Not using images in this scenario may actually require changes to the core components (which currently expect images to be supplied by the skin). Nevertheless, it would be interesting to hear isomorphic's position on the idea - thanks,